===Generally===
   * For 棗, the lid goes to L knee, even when it's used for 濃茶; for other 薄器 it's in the middle.

===四滴　茶入===
   * Used when a 棗 was used for 濃茶. With Hiromi VII 23 we used one called つる次, which has a handle. It's fun to use, the 茶杓 goes through the handle, and for さばき you first clean the front side, then you turn it CW 90°, clean the back side (both straight); and for 拝見 then also remove the lid and clean the rim (round). 
   * Hiromi also did a little dance about how you remember the shapes of these containers.

===拝見===
   * If the 棗 lid has something on the inside, when cleaning before 拝見, make sure it is aligned properly!