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-後炭 is a bit tricky here, and the books are not sufficiently clear about it. The main issue is that there are several orientations from which the 釜 is handled and shifted.+<WRAP info> 
 +   * It's easy to forget to lift the chains by 5 eyes after removing the 釜! 
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 +後炭 is a bit tricky here, and the books are not sufficiently clear about it. The main issue is that there are several orientations from which the 釜 is handled and shifted. //Grosso modo// there are two ways. I think: 
 +   * where you do most things facing N (🅰️) 
 +   * where you try to face the 釜 when working with the bail (🅱️). This requires you to put the bail againstt the 屏風 while facing NE, which I don't think is a big deal.  
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 +In general, I feel 🅱️ feels nicer. It also ends up to be the way where you can pick up the 鐶 from where you put them down.
  
    * As in normal 後炭, unload 炭斗 first (which is only the 羽), then close the 釜 lid.    * As in normal 後炭, unload 炭斗 first (which is only the 羽), then close the 釜 lid.
-   * Shift forward to interact with the 釜: Lift the chains by 3 eyes, //then// put out the 釜敷 and detach 釜. (In the end, it's the other way around: first lower the 釜, then move yourself.) +   * Shift forward to interact with the 釜: Lift the chains by 3 eyes, //then// put out the 釜敷 and detach 釜. (In the end, it's the other way around: first lower and steady the 釜, then move yourself.) 
-   * Remove the bail (弦): So while holding it, shift to NE, detach, and put it leaning against the 屏風. +   * Remove the bail (弦):  
-         * <wrap help>It could also be, however, that while holding the attached bail, you shift to face **N** instead. This would save some shifting. In fact, in normal 後炭, you also detach the 鐶 while you're not aligned with the 釜.</wrap> +         * 🅰️ While holding the attached bail, you shift to face N. This would save some shifting. (In fact, in normal 後炭, you also detach the 鐶 while you're not aligned with the 釜.) 
-         * <wrap help>Maybe, however, the bail deserves your full attention when interacting with it; and this is how you would do it in 初炭! So shift to face the 釜 at NE, detach the bail and place it near the 屏風. This doesn't look that awkward; but then you need to shift to N, pull the 釜 etc. which might be a bit too much of shifting.</wrap> +         * 🅱️ Maybe, however, the bail deserves your full attention when interacting with it; and this is how you would do it in 初炭! So shift to face the 釜 at NE, detach the bail and place it near the 屏風. This doesn't look that awkward; but then you need to shift to N, pull the 釜 etc. which might be a bit too much of shifting. 
-   * In anycase, you end up in N and the 釜 in NW. Detach 鐶 and place them in front of the bail, with their open end in the same orientation as the bail (as far as possible from the 屏風).+   * In any case, you end up in N and the 釜 in NW. Detach 鐶 and place them in front of the bail, with their open end in the same orientation as the bail (as far as possible from the 屏風).
    * Shift back to face the 炉, then raise the chains by 5 eyes.    * Shift back to face the 炉, then raise the chains by 5 eyes.
  
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    * So in 初炭, you'd lower the chains by 5 now again; and I think that also makes sense here, since we're done with the 炉.    * So in 初炭, you'd lower the chains by 5 now again; and I think that also makes sense here, since we're done with the 炉.
-   * Shift to face N, attach the 鐶 and shift 釜 to NE. +   * Shift to face N, attach the 鐶 (picking them up on the R side so that the top one will be again to the 釜's L side) and shift 釜 to NE. 
-   * To detach 鐶 again: +   * To detach 鐶 again. In normal 後炭, you'd shift now to face the 釜, detach the 鐶 and place them //next// to the 釜. I think this shift is also so you can sit down afterwards with the 水次 where you conceptionally stood up from. In any case, the huge 鐶 look a bit lost without the bail, so I'd put them back next to //that// rather than the 釜. 
-         * In normal 後炭, you'd shift now to face the 釜, detach the 鐶 and place them //next// to the 釜. +         * 🅰️ Stay facing N. 
-         * <wrap help>I think this shift is also so you can sit down afterwards with the 水次 where you conceptionally stood up from. Anyway, the huge 鐶 look a bit lost without the bail, so I'd put them back next to //that// rather than the 釜. That's more difficult if you shift to face it, so you could argue to stay in N.</wrap> +         * 🅱️ Shift to NE to detach 鐶.
-         * <wrap help>But you could also put them down, shift to NE, then remove them and put them near the 屏風 (just normal 後炭 way).</wrap> +
-         * <wrap help>Or you could also place them next to the 釜 as in normal 後炭, in which case it makes sense to shift to face the 釜.</wrap>+
  
 Come in with the 水次, sit to face the 釜, replenish and wet, then leave. Remember that with the 片口, the lid stays on the floor until you've finished wetting the 釜. Come in with the 水次, sit to face the 釜, replenish and wet, then leave. Remember that with the 片口, the lid stays on the floor until you've finished wetting the 釜.
  
    * Normally, you'd come in facing the 炉, attach 鐶 and shift forward. However, in 初炭 with the 釣り釜, you sit facing the 釜 to attach 鐶 and bail.     * Normally, you'd come in facing the 炉, attach 鐶 and shift forward. However, in 初炭 with the 釣り釜, you sit facing the 釜 to attach 鐶 and bail. 
-         * <wrap help>If you entered facing N before, you could do it here as well. Attach everything, shift to face the 炉 and put it in</wrap>. +         * 🅰️ Enter facing N, attach everything, shift to face the 炉 and put it in. 
-         * <wrap help>Or you sit to face the 釜, like in 初炭, to attach everything and shift from there. I think that makes more sense</wrap>+         * 🅱️ Sit to face the 釜, like in 初炭, to attach everything and shift from there.
    * Then: 釜敷, lower chains by another 3 eyes, steady 釜, shift back, open lid.    * Then: 釜敷, lower chains by another 3 eyes, steady 釜, shift back, open lid.
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